Yong Tang: To stop the Soviet....
LaRouche: From killing me. Not to kill me. So later they decided to send me to prison. And that was George Bush Senior, who was involved in saying yes to that.
Yong Tang: But why?
LaRouche: Because I'm a part of the Presidential system.
Yong Tang: How did they make a good excuse for that?
LaRouche: They make one up. That's easy. The United States system is very good in that. They can make excuses. They can kill anybody they want to kill and they can make it look legal. There's no problem.
Yong Tang: The government charged that you never repaid $200,000 of loans.
LaRouche: That wasn't our fault. They did, I didn't do it. The government did it.
Yong Tang: But I don't quite understand...
LaRouche: They faked the figures.
Yong Tang: But I still don't understand how this works.
LaRouche: They had a judge in Alexandria. They have a special system inside the United States Government which was set up in this form under Teddy Roosevelt. It was set up by the creation of the National Bureau of Investigation, which later became the FBI. You have a secret element of the U.S. Government, which is buried inside the Justice Department. It's called the Internal Security Apparatus. It's the most secret part of the Government, the Internal Security Apparatus. It's actually controlled by groups of bankers and law firms from New York City and so forth, who are tied into this entity.
And any time you want to get rid of someone who is high-level as I was, they go into this section of government which cooperates under various names, which is actually the secret internal security apparatus. The judge of the Alexandria. Virginia Federal court is the judge for this system. Anytime they want to kill someone or send them to prison, who is high-level, he ends up with charges in Alexandria before the judge who is the chief judge of that court. And anyone who is sent into that court will be convicted of anything.
Yong Tang: But they should have a charge.
LaRouche: Hahaha! The charge was conspiracy.
Yong Tang: What was the charge for you?
LaRouche: Thirteen counts of conspiracy.
Yong Tang: Conspiracy for what?
LaRouche: All kinds of things. It was crazy. Insane. But it can only work in that way. They put me on trial in Boston and they lost the case. So before the case was officially closed, I was actually exonerated, but technically not. So they reopened the trial under different auspices in Alexandria and it's automatic. The trial was in Boston. I won the case in Boston.
Yong Tang: You won it?
LaRouche: Well, I won it with the court.
Yong Tang: So they moved you somewhere else and retried you?
LaRouche: Yeah. Under new charges. Which is conspiracy. Only conspiracy. It's that simple. It was a short trial. It was over.
Yong Tang: It was about financial matter?
LaRouche: Well, it's all kinds of things. They tried to make it financial, but actually it was all done by the government, everything they accused me of was actually done by the government. You see, what the government did was they bankrupted a firm illegally. The government did the illegal act.
Yong Tang: Then they put you under bankruptcy?
LaRouche: The losses from the bankruptcy were the basis for the charges. Later, the thing was ruled as being an illegal bankruptcy. But they charged that it was not a bad faith error, it was just an error. If it had been a bad faith error, there would have had to be a new trial, and would have gotten the whole thing over. The former President George W Bush was the key President in charge, who was responsible for this. And he hates me to this day.
Yong Tang: You could have hired very competent lawyers to defend yourself.
LaRouche: The United States has a secret dictatorship built into it. Don't believe this stuff about democracy. (Laughter).
Yong Tang: Just like Saddam Hussein?
LaRouche: Saddam Hussein was, of course, cruder. These people are slightly more refined. Not that much, but slightly more. When they want to kill, they kill.
Yong Tang: How did you feel at that time?
LaRouche: I understood.
Yong Tang: You understood?
LaRouche: Sure.
Yong Tang: You accepted your fate?
LaRouche: No, I didn't accept it. I understood it. There's a difference.
Yong Tang: Oh, you understood.
LaRouche: I understood that in my time I will do what I have to do.
Yong Tang: You mean you run for president?
LaRouche: That's right. You decide what you have to do. They knew it, OK, they did it. You can't go around weeping about it. You have to decide what you're going to do.
Yong Tang: You didn't cry?
LaRouche: No, you don't cry in warfare. If you're a soldier you don't cry.
Yong Tang: How many years did you spend in prison?
LaRouche: Five years.
Yong Tang: Where was it?
LaRouche: In Rochester, Minnesota.
Yong Tang: Was it a prison only for political prisoners?
LaRouche: No, political prisoners go to various places, but that is a place which tended to be a special concentration of political prisoners. It was a general prison. The prison was established as an off-shoot of the Mayo Clinic in Rochester. They used to have a mental hospital there, which was a public mental hospital. So the Federal government bought this mental hospital and they turned it into a prison.
My judgment was that this was a center where they would house people who had medical problems and who were political prisoners. Because the Mayo Clinic would provide the medical services. And this facility had a hospital in it. So you would have this prison, and political prisoners would tend to go there. They would go there because they had some medical thing, or something like that, you could send them there.
Yong Tang: How do you think of the treatment you received while you stayed there?
LaRouche: It was fixed. Because a lot of people in the system of government knew exactly what the case was. So the warden of the prison and some of the officials knew exactly what the case was. They knew I was a political prisoner. They didn't bother me.
Yong Tang: They didn't bother you?
LaRouche: Ah, but then you had a section of the security apparatus in the prison which belonged to the other side. So we had some threats. There was one effort to induce a heart attack, which didn't work. But the news got out, and they got slapped in the face for trying. So after that, I had minimal problems inside the prison.
During the first year I was there there was this effort to have me eliminated. But after they got caught at it, and there was a complaint about it from Washington, then they backed off.
Yong Tang: How could you survive it? Five years is a long time.
LaRouche: With my personality I survive all kinds of things. When you get to be an old soldier, you survive a lot. And the way you survive is being yourself.
Yong Tang: What did you do every day?
LaRouche: Well, I did what I should. I did what I was supposed to do, and I helped people when I could.
Yong Tang: Help people? How?
LaRouche: Well, prisoners are there. They've problems. They've got psychological problems. They've got all kinds of problems. They have fears, they have anxieties. They're human beings.
